Jan 26, 2024

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Meanwhile, over at r/Conservative (AKA: Reddit Law School), the deep-thinking scholars are deeply thinking.

Jury rules Trump must pay $83,000,000 in damages for defaming E. Jean Carroll

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Beltway Republican

A New York jury, of course they’d make him pay that loon. She could be a literal pigeon and they’d rule against Trump.

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·4 hr. ago
Constitutional Originalist

The court has fined him. They won't make him pay anything. It will never survive appeal. He'll end up suing her for court costs and he'll win, just like he did against the porn star.

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This is absolutely dead on appeal. Biased as hell jury.

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She could be a literal pigeon

TBF, that's a tiny distinction, she is a loon.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/766067/anderson-cooper-cuts-to-commercial-after-trump-accuser-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy/

Same as the Kavanaugh accusers. Zero evidence, just a claim, and one brought to court at times calculated to do as much political harm as possible.

Also, that this can happen in civil courts at all is an abomination.

They have a lower threshold of evidence, but it is not supposed to be absolutely zero. It is a travesty, as is people acting like it is a criminal conviction.

Clown world.

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·45 min. ago
Conservative

I mean, no evidence that he assaulted her and they found him guilty. Then they found him liable for damages and set the amount insanely high. Surely anyone who's not a deranged Trump hater can see this is all punitive from judges who are putting politics first?

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·9 min. ago
Jeffersonian

It is, but the issue was Trump’s defense or lack thereof. In the original trial he didn’t give a testimony, it was just his disposition. And his argument that he didn’t rape her was “he didn’t find her attractive”. Jean Carroll’s attorney’s pointed out he confused his ex-wife with Jean Carroll and he considers her ex-wife attractive. So trump entire defense was immediately destroyed. It’s essentially a he said, she said issue, and while both said some pretty questionable things, both Trump and his attorney clearly fumbled the trial.

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·12 min. ago
Conservative

All his other trials are gonna go the same way too. Politics have replaced justice in our courts.

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·4 hr. ago
Small Government

Trump raped me in 1973. Never mind the fact that I was born in 1986, facts clearly don’t matter. Here is how I see it playing out:

Me: Trump raped me in 1973.

Trump: I wouldn’t rape JTuck, he’s disgusting and a man.

Me: defamation!!!!!! And he assumed my gender!!!!

Court: here is $83m of Trump’s money.

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·2 hr. ago
Conservative

1973? Are you sure you want to get that specific?

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·2 hr. ago
Trump 2024

This is such a joke. And what a comically large number. Might as well of said “Trump owes a gajillion dollars”. And there’s no proof this even happened….

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·40 min. ago
Conservative Jedi Knight

Alex Jones knows something about comically large numbers when it comes to litigations

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·4 hr. ago
TRUMP 2024

83M for someone no ones ever heard of. Hope she doesn't get a dime of it.

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·3 hr. ago
Conservative

Someone who on an interview said "Rape is sexy"

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What makes zero sense to me is that they are making him pay this for saying she's lying about him raping her.

Something she cannot prove happened.

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Who?

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·3 hr. ago
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So I can just say anyone raped me and if they deny it I can sue for defamation?

Or is it only if I say a conservative raped me in NYC?

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·3 hr. ago
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·1 hr. ago
Moderate Conservative

Trump seems like the best possible choice for the Republican party !

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As a moderate/center left republican, i agree!

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·37 min. ago
Moderate Conservative

What a joke. Zero evidence and it’s obvious this woman is a loon. I’m not a fan of Trump, but this was a total sham cooked up by democrats. They don’t even try to hide it at all.

Today's Jennifer

Closing arguments today, followed by jury instructions from the judge, and then twelve jurors commence to deliberatin' on how much Trump will be hit up for.

So far, he seems to be trying to run his usual game, where he tells the guy he's trying to get money out of that he's rollin' in dough, and then turns around and tells the tax guy he's not really all that rich.

He's been bragging this whole time about Mar-A-Lago (eg) being worth a billion-five, maybe more, and that he's got an easy $400K in his petty cash fund and blah blah blah.

The jury in Georgia stung Rudy for $148 million, so we'll see. This could get even crazier.

hoist on one's own petard

Per Ayn Rand: Contradictions exist, but they cannot prevail.




26,000 rape-related pregnancies in Texas since Roe v. Wade was overturned

Today's Brian

It takes him a while to get there, but Cohen nails the core concept of what Trump is doing - it's The Show.

It's all about marrying up Reality TV, evangelical huckstering, WWE, and international politics, in order to fill his pockets.


Today's Barbarism


I'll concede the point that there are people we can do without - Charlie Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Celine Dion - not that many, but more than we like to think about.

But when it's known that a double digit percentage of people who have been convicted of a capital crime - and condemned to die for it - are later proved innocent, then I've got a big fucking problem with what amounts to state-sponsored murder. (Death Penalty Info Ctr)

So, OK - if you've got the guy dead-to-rights, punch his ticket. But that whole death thing is pretty permanent. We need to be quite a bit more sure than we have been.

That 'being sure' thing becomes a bigger sticking point as we develop newer and better ways to snuff people that help us rationalize our primitive urge to kill in retribution.


Alabama puts Kenneth Smith to death in first execution with nitrogen gas

Kenneth Eugene Smith became the first prisoner known to be executed using a controversial method known as nitrogen hypoxia

ATMORE, Ala. — Alabama carried out the world’s first known execution by nitrogen hypoxia Thursday. The unprecedented method was administered to Kenneth Eugene Smith, a prisoner on death row for his role in a contract killing more than three decades ago.

Smith’s execution was preceded by months of legal battles over whether it was constitutional to use nitrogen hypoxia in capital punishment, as the method was not known to have ever been used before in a prison setting. Alabama prison officials kept many of the details about how they would carry out the new method a secret from the public.

Smith, 58, was pronounced dead at 8:25 p.m. at the William C. Holman Correctional Facility in Atmore.

Media witnesses arrived to the death chamber and saw Smith strapped to a gurney and fitted with a mask that covered his entire face.

“Tonight, Alabama caused humanity to take a step backward,” Smith said in a lengthy final statement transcribed by media witnesses. “I’m leaving with love, peace and light. Thank you for supporting me. Love all of you.”

Using sign language, Smith said, “I love you,” directing the sign toward the window of the viewing room where his family sat.

Smith appeared conscious for at least two minutes while the gas flowed to his mask, according to media witnesses. He shook and writhed for at least two minutes on the gurney, and this was followed by two minutes of deep breaths and then a period of time during which media witnesses were unable to determine if he was breathing.

The curtain closed at 8:15 p.m., 10 minutes before the state pronounced him dead.

Speaking to reporters after the execution, Alabama Department of Corrections Commissioner John Q. Hamm called Smith’s shaking and writhing “involuntary” and said a 45-minute delay in the execution was due to “a hiccup on the EKG line” that was preventing a good reading.

Alabama officials had previously tried and failed to execute Smith by lethal injection in 2022. States that still use the death penalty have struggled to obtain lethal injection drugs, with lawmakers and prison officials adopting alternative methods as backup options. Alabama, Mississippi and Oklahoma have approved nitrogen hypoxia, while other states have brought back the long-disused firing squad.

Despite the historic nature of Smith’s execution, only five independent witnesses from the news media, including the Associated Press, were able to observe the process. Smith’s family, as well as the family of his victim, Elizabeth Sennett, attended Thursday’s execution.

Medical professionals and human rights advocates had argued for months that Alabama’s efforts to use an untested execution method on Smith amounted to human experimentation, claims Smith’s lawyers took all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Late Thursday, the nation’s top court rejected Smith’s final request for intervention. The court’s three liberal justices — Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson — noted their dissent in the court’s order, which did not explain the majority’s reasoning. Sotomayor called Alabama’s method “untested” and said “the world is watching.”

“Having failed to kill Smith on its first attempt, Alabama has selected him as its ‘guinea pig’ to test a method of execution never attempted before,” she wrote.

Kagan, joined by Jackson, wrote separately to say that she would have put the execution on hold to give Smith and his lawyers more information about the state’s new protocol to allow him to fully challenge the execution method.

Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall (R) had defended the state’s protocol, previously calling nitrogen hypoxia “the most painless and humane method of execution known to man.” The state argued that the district court heard from at least a hundred experts and was not convinced the method was likely to lead to an unacceptable level of pain before death.

Former Alabama governor Don Siegelman (D) had also called on Gov. Kay Ivey (R) to stop Smith’s execution. Siegelman was among those who noted that Smith would not have faced execution if he were tried under modern standards.

“So here we are in Alabama about to execute Kenneth Eugene Smith, who was sentenced to death — not by a jury, as required by the U.S. Constitution — but by a judge, a practice banned in Alabama,” Siegelman said in a statement.

A jury voted 11-1 in favor of life in prison at Smith’s second trial before a judge overrode its verdict and sentenced Smith to death. The practice, known as judicial override, has since been eliminated in all 50 states; Alabama was the last state to do so, in 2017.

Philip Nitschke, a leading figure in the controversial right-to-die movement, told The Washington Post that while nitrogen hypoxia is an effective method for willing euthanasia patients, Alabama’s execution protocol dramatically differs from legal assisted-suicide methods in Europe in both technique and spirit.

Nitschke said the right-to-die movement long ago moved away from using masks such as the one in Alabama, instead favoring methods such as hoods, specially designed bags and pods. Another key difference, he stressed, is that people are calm and cooperative in their assisted suicide, while a prisoner is anxiously awaiting an execution against his will.

In previous court filings, Smith’s attorneys said there was a real risk that Smith would vomit and choke to death during his execution. Marshall, Alabama’s attorney general, said that was unlikely, noting that Smith would have taken his last meal more than eight hours before the execution. Should Smith vomit, the state said, officials would remove and clean the mask and clear Smith’s airway before continuing.

The state last attempted to execute Smith in November 2022. Prison staffers failed to find a vein to set Smith’s IV line, which, coupled with last-minute appeals, made it untenable to complete the lethal injection before Smith’s execution warrant expired at midnight. Smith’s was the third botched lethal injection in a row, prompting Ivey to temporarily pause executions for review.

The Alabama Department of Corrections rejected calls for a third-party review and conducted a review of its execution process internally. A public report was not released following Alabama’s four-month review; Hamm instead sent a two-page letter to Ivey in February 2023 noting four changes to the procedures, including obtaining new equipment and hiring more medical staffers.

In two key changes to Alabama’s execution procedure, the Alabama Supreme Court in 2023 extended the typical 24-hour timeline for execution warrants to let the governor set the timeline and eliminated the process of automatically reviewing death penalty cases for “plain errors” during the trial phase.

Smith was convicted in Sennett’s 1988 death in Colbert County, Ala. Sennett was found beaten and stabbed in her home, which was staged to look like a robbery. Investigators later found that Sennett’s husband, the Rev. Charles Sennett, had hired a hit man to kill her so he could collect on her life insurance policy to cover his debts.

John Forrest Parker and Smith were paid $1,000 each by a middleman on Sennett’s behalf to carry out the murder. Charles Sennett killed himself when police learned of his role in the plot, while Billy Gray Williams, the middleman, was sentenced to life in prison. Parker was executed in 2010.